Spanish Attorney General, Cándido Conde-Pumpido, has declared that the Spanish government will follow "till the end" with the trial opened at the Audiencia Nacional (aka Neoinquisition) against the Venezuelan government for allegedly promoting cooperation between the Basque armed organization ETA and the Colombian guerrilla FARC.
It must be said that the allegations of collaboration between the two militias pre-date the Bolivarian government in Venezuela.
For the Venezuelan President this trial, along with the accusations by the Interamerican Comission of Human Rights and the visit of Hillary Clinton to several Latin American capitals this week, are the counter-offensive of Washington and Madrid to the formation of the Community of Caribbean and American States, which undermines their role as colonial powers.
I would go further and suggest that it is the first clear attempt to list Venezuela as "terrorist rogue dictatorship" as means to justify an already planned invasion of the rebellious but strictly democratic country.
Source: Gara [es].
Update: See also Venezuela Analysis [en] and this other article at Gara [es]: even members of the undemocratically imposed "Basque government", of the same party as Conde-Pumpido ask to treat this matter "with prudence". Apparently an individual named Arturo Cubillas Fontán (never heard of him before), who has held positions in the Venezuelan government, is accused of being "ETA member", all based on the "magic laptop" of FARC negotiator Raúl Reyes, ambushed and murdered by the Colombian army at Ecuadorean soil in 2008, which has been manipulated by the Colombian Army at whim.
Update (March 4): Also reported at La Haine [es], where we are informed that the said Antonio Cubillas is exiled in Venezuela because of the agreements between Felipe González and Carlos Andrés Pérez in the 1980s (I guess that in the frame of the negotiations of Algiers). Insisting in the lack of credibility of the "magic laptop" that the Colombian Army claims to be of murdered guerrilla negotiator Raúl Reyes.
In a parallel development, you may be interested in knowing about the whereabouts of former star judge of the Neoinquisition, Baltasar Garzón. He is facing a rough trial himself, formally for challenging the Amnesty Law of 1978 and attempting to judge the crimes of fascism but in fact, it seems that this move has been triggered by another even more daring cause opened by Garzón against members of the Bush administration for crimes against Humanity in relation to the Guantanamo Bay concentration camp.
Read more at Voltairenet [en].
Jeez, Maju, the neoinquisition is what the Eta people have, killing people.
First of all: Spain is 1000 more of a democracy than Venezuela now, in spite of all its errors.
You like to use sources only when they suit you. Who has said Venezuelans elections are fair?
THe EU? The carter centre? Or is it only the guys who claim to be commies?
Do you think those authorities of the EU say Venezuela's elections are freer than those in Spain?
Secondly: that ETA guy is a murderer. He certainly arrived in Venezuela before Hugo became president. Still: he kept active in promoting violence. He also got jobs with the Venezuelan government now and his wife is still a high official...and she is the wife of a terrorist.
The Basques using violence are not like the blacks in South Africa of the Apartheid. They are rather like any other kind of fascist in the world who claim democracy is just want they want.
If there were a referendum tomorrow in the Basque country, something the government opposes - stupidly- you would lose it.
Most likely you would not accept anything but what you nationalist lefties want, even if you are minority in the Basque country.
You just have to get out of your circle of friends in the lefty and ultra nationalist sector of the Basque country and ask around: most people don't want violence and they don't accept ETA.
Franco died over 30 years ago, man! Get over it!
Now you are acting more like falangistas, os parecéis cada vez más a quienes tanto detestabais.
I am very much sure that Spain is not a democracy in any practical term of the meaning:
1. The constitution guarantees the king and the army powers beyond any sort of democracy, much like in Turkey.
2. The electoral system strongly favors depopulated Castilian rural areas over non-Castilian and urban areas, favoring caciquismo.
3. This same system makes sure that in most circunscriptions you can in practice only vote for two options: tweedledee and tweedledoo.
4. Franco said, with reason, that he left all "tied and well tied".
5. The central state has almost absolute power over any local jurisdiction (Jacobinism).
6. The judicial power is extremely corrupt, slow (except when they want) and dominated by fascist judges.
7. Virtually all the media is monolithic, no one daring to gather dissident opinions (or only very rarely and as exception), those that dare to go beyond the unspoken limits to "free speech" are punished.
8. The right to self-determination of the peoples, as acknowledged by the Charter of UN is totally disregarded.
9. It is in practice always totally submissive to the US empire and its Zionist masters.
10. The social rights formally acknowledged by the constitution (right to dignified housing and job, for instance) mean absolutely nothing while private property, which is said to be subservient of the social state, is overprotected. This means that the constitution is meaningless in what regards to human rights but it's just a malleable tool for the Capitalist oligarchy.
ETA surely has more support among Basques than anything Spanish, even if it's also criticized. If ETA could run to elections it would gather lots of votes. That's for a reason: ETA in fact originates in the frustration of Basques not being able to rule our own destiny freely. When this problem of self-rule is solved ETA will disappear. If ETA disappears before self-rule is achieved, then another armed group will be created for sure. You can't smash the rights of a proud and struggling people as the Basque Nation and expect they won't fight back. You are simply stupid if you think so honestly (most don't think that: just hypocritically claim to because it's convenient).
"Secondly: that ETA guy"...
"... is a murderer".
Or a freedom fighter, a hero like Mandela, Bolívar, Washington or Dessalines. Depends of the point of view.
"You just have to get out of your circle of friends"...
I don't have any such circle of friends. In fact I have never been active in the politics of the Nationalist Left and come from the nonviolent movement. I just have eyes to see and a heart to feel and the more this conflict, which is nothing but a conflict on democracy and people's rights, is dealt unsolved the more I think it's not a problem of Basques or ETA but a problem of the rotten Spanish engender.
Hopefully it will go bankrupt soon.
You are nothing but a privileged bourgeois who think he knows everything. As I said before: step down from your privileged sofa and get to live with the normal people... then you'll know how reality bites and why western "democracy" and "justice" is only for the rich.
"Franco died over 30 years ago"...
Not in spirit. The regime we bear is his creation. After all who put Franco in power first of all and who kept him there? The bourgeois and aristocrats, the monarchists and the Anglosaxon capitalists (first Britain and then Eisenhower).
We must not forget nor forgive because that would make us ignorant of the reality and mere puppets of their propaganda, that always makes up reality in their favor.
Found what guy you're talking about. No idea of who he is but I'm 100% sure that Chávez is not a stupid as to hire an ETA member of all available people. And much less is believable "evidence" coming from the "magic laptop" of Raúl Reyes.
So with all likelihood he is not member of ETA (I'm not even sure if he's Basque or has any connection with the Basque Country at all). Never heard of him before and you are gratuitously accusing a probably innocent person of "murder" without any evidence.
We know who are the murders here: Uribe, Bush, Obama, Clinton, Conde-Pumpido and judge Velasco. Even if they have not ever hold a weapon themselves they are plotting murders on daily basis. And it's the murder of your people which you are applauding and supporting with your thoughtless parroting of the propaganda.
Shame on you!
That guy was employed and Hugo is stupid enough for that and much more. We are talking about the president who thinks mankind is 20 centuries old and went to the same kind of school I did (his parents being teachers like mine at a public school). That is the same president that tells people no Indians knew kings or slaves before the Spaniards arrived.
Actually: we have had 10 ministers of "Interior and Justice". We have had many ministers who were, like Hugo, coup mongers or former guerrillas. One or two were known by the police for non political activities (being involved in mafia gangs as "students").
I think you commies have a wet dream: that the gringos invade Venezuela. It would suit you so well as you could go on nagging about how bad the US is. Mind: I rejected the Iraq invasion and many other actions by the US government, but I think that won't happen in Venezuela.
As for murders: Uribe is responsible for those murders, but is Hugo not responsible for the more than 10000 extra murders of "common crime" taking place in Venezuela every year since he is in office? (and we don't talk about the soldiers he killed in 1992 after he told them they were going to "exercises" and it was in reality a coup)
The thing is, Maju, that very few people with some ethics want to work with the Venezuelan regime now.
It is a special kind of selection. Likewise, the ministers Hugo has right now are mostly selected based on their capacity to applaud during Alo Presidente.
"I think you commies have a wet dream: that the gringos invade Venezuela".
Not me. But everything points out to that being planned ahead by the Pentagon. Even if there's no invasion, there's already a a military encirclement with the help of imperial vassals like Colombia, the Netherlands, Britain and Surinam.
This kind of criminalization is the kind of stuff the Gringos do before they invade, sometimes it can take just months (Afghanistan), sometimes years (Iraq) and sometimes it seems that forever (Iran). But the pattern is obvious.
I hope I'm wrong but whatever the case this will only lead to militarization and hence to problems.
"... the ministers Hugo has right now are mostly selected based on their capacity to applaud during Alo Presidente".
That would be a bad thing if true, obviously. Whatever the case, you should have elections this year, right?
Yes, we have elections. We have at least once a year elections.
What would we do without elections?
I wrote quite some stuff about it.
Take my region, carabobo (greater Valencia and around).
There was a big gerrymandering in 2000, which enabled chavismo to get a much higher amount of diputados than what they deserved.
That may be legal or not in Spain, in the US or elsewhere.
In Venezuela it is definitely not legal: the constitution says the number of seats should be assigned according to proportional representation.
Still, my region was one of those where there was still a fair distribution. They changed the electoral law recently once more to get rid of that "imperfection" in their system.
If everybody voted as she voted in the regional elections of 2008 and the electoral districts were the same, the opposition would get this year 3 or 4 deputados de lista out of 7 (the opposition got 54>% of the votes in 2008, so we got an oppo governor*).
The cne, the electoral commission, which is controlled by people who are very much pro-chavez, changed the rules just a couple of months ago.
Now, if the very same 54% of voters vote again for the opposition, we get 1 OUT OF 7 deputies.
I wrote something in my Spanish blog as well criticizing the governor in power in my region, someone who is from the opposition.
* I dislike that governor, I have criticized him a lot in my Spanish blog (I write about that in Spanish because it is just way too regional, but I have mentioned him also sometimes in English). Still, he is better than what we had before. Now, as soon as the opposition governors took office in 2008, chavismo changed the rules and took away from the regions control of airports, harbors, peajes and much more, reducing the revenues for the regions. He does redistribute money to those regions where the caciques or caudillos or vireyes o como quieras llamarles are with him.
IDK: if the opposition had such a wide support, it would not matter the "gerrymandering" you say because they'd had the democratic moral support to make things change. The reality is instead that there is no real opposition anymore in Venezuela and that the distinct minor pro-Bolivarian parties such as PPT are the only "opposition" now.
Anyhow, here the system is gerrymandered at constitutional level. The post-Franco constitution says that each province (a mere administrative division with no ethnic or historical pedigree in most cases) has two deputies, what makes 100 out of 350 deputies elected on mere territorial grounds (no apportion whatsoever). In the senate that is worse: each province (again) gets 4 senators, 3 of which go to the first positioned list and 1 to the second one (bipartisanism at the extreme). This system strongly favors the depopulated provinces of the interior (Castile, Aragon) and punishes the more populated provinces of the periphery (and that artificial urban metropolis that is Madrid).
So in most provinces, with 3 or 4 deputies (2 of which are "just because"), people can only choose in practice between party A and party B (PP and PSOE), leaving no room for dissidence. Only in the periphery and Madrid can smaller parties make some inroads but they are punished against because of the disporportional representation and kept as eternal marginals.
A democratic system would scrap the provinces, which were invented just in 1833, often out of nothing, and use the (would be) freely federated states as basis for representation, logically. But the system is rigged at constitutional level and doesn't look like it will change... until the revolution happens.
But, most importantly, it should guarantee sovereignity to the nations, so the Castilians can't impose their whim as they do now.
You say there is no opposition and yet 54% of the votes in 2008, according to your holy commies of the consejo nacional electoral (commies until the regime crumbles or gets too embarrasing) went to Salas Feo, an opposition.
If the same people voted now for the opposition list (and there are more reasons as Hugo's popularity has kept going down) they would not get the seats equivalent to their 54% (i.e. 4 of 7) but 1 out of 7.
No entiendes? Aparentemente no.
The opposition is right now very divided, no doubt about it, but it will go with one list, just as it did in 2008. And even though people will vote just like in 2008, at least 54% for the opposition candidate, this time they will only get 1 deputy.
I was looking at last general, not regional elections.
Still in the last regional elections the opposition only won in four of thirty something states (incl. Caracas).
We'll see but I doubt that a majority of vote won't make things change. Still I strongly doubt they'll get that majority with a liberal program... much less keep it by democratic means to a second term, as we all know what liberalism means: poverty and exploitation.
There are 23 states plus caracas.
1 of the states did not have elections.
Almost half of Venezuela's population lives in those 4 states.
Venezuelans were stupid enough to vote for carlos Andrés Pérez because they remembered there was a lot of dosh during Pérez's first term (many years before). They voted for Hugo for a similar reason, only that Venezuela was (and still is) going through the biggest oil boom of its history.
Maju, you have not the single interest in trying to find out what is happening in Venezuela. I feel like trying to talk about evolution to a Southern evangelical fundamentalist.
Yeah, the end of capitalism is nigh!
It is not worth discussing anymore with you.
It's you who is obsessed with Venezuela. I just post now and then and mostly in relation with international politics. You use any occasion to lecture me on how bad is Chávez but almost never a counterpoint that shows your objectivity (obviously the Bolivarians must have done something right, otherwise they would not have such wide popular support).
Whatever the case, it seems you're arguing that three states plus the capital district should decide for a whole country, just because they have a majority of the population? Not sure how much sense you make in a federal system.
The Western Basque Country has a federative system and each province has exactly the same representation, regardless of number of citizens. So a voter from Biscay has much less weight than a voter from Araba. However nobody complains, even if it's in Araba where the Spanish nationalists get the best results.
Notice how different is this from the province-based system of Spain that favors the ethnic majority while not giving any self-rule to the provinces. Instead the Basque system favors the minorities and allows all provinces, which have some historical background, for self-rule.
And the end of Capitalism is not "nigh" but already here: can't you see that the crisis is generated by lack of demand and that liberal economists only think in lowering acquisitive power even more, what can only dump the demand even further. There's no solution within the system: it's a matter of time and not much time.
counterpoint? What for? I have provided sources, numbers, even from the government's own sites.
"almost never a counterpoint that shows your objectivity (obviously the Bolivarians must have done something right, otherwise they would not have such wide popular support)."
There is no "Bolivarianism". Their idea has nothing to do with the real Bolivar. It is all about chavismo.
You just have to understand this: Venezuela is about oil prices. Higher prices: more dosh for social programmes, even if most is stolen. Now the theft is higher but so are oil prices, much much higher than in 1998.
Still, things are getting to their limits. If the regime were half as corrupt as it is, it would be swimming in money.
Most Venezuelans, whether oppo or chavismo, know very little about economics. They are the people con la mentalidad más rentista del mundo.
Most Venezuelans, whether rich or poor, whether oppo or nibs or chavistas, think they just need to work an hour a day to be able to buy their TV set, their BlackBerry or - yes - their whiskey.
Venezuelans were naive enough to vote in 1988 for Pérez because they thought he was going to bring the wealth Venezuela had when he was first time president. What they did not realise was that oil prices were very low in 1988 and population had more more than doubled since the seventies (that is, on his first term). Instead, Pérez "II" tried to increase the hole price of petrol and there were the riots (largely promoted by extreme commies as I wrote in my blog).
Venezuelans think the country is rich. It is not, not even with all its oil. The country does not even produce toilet paper anymore, we import almost everyrthing. We are now importing black beans from the Dominican Republic. That is like Spain importing olives from cyprus...probably worse, black beans just need a little bit of water and in our region very little time to grow.
Venezuela's education is an absolute disaster even for Latin American levels. I have discussed this before. From there we have a lot of delusion. Unesco reports? My foot: they are based on what the government tells them.
Hugo is above all a story teller. The masses love when he tells them stories, mentions names of things that relate to them.
Hugo goes to Denmark and he mentions to the Danish PSFs (pendejos sin fronteras) "Kierkegaard" and the Danish PSFs went absolutely bananas. He goes to a village in Lara, in Venezuela, and mentions the people there are all the descendants of the jirajaras and gayones (never mind they are at least as much descendants of Spaniards) and that Indians never had slaves or kings or things like that.
He goes to the Oecd and meets a Mexican worker and he tells her how he likes mariachis (that Mexican is a good friend of mine).
That is his way.
There are some possible politicians within the opposition who could be less destructive, one or two even think about and work for sustainable development, but they are dull, just dull...and they don't have the control of the petrodollars. Es difícil así.
Still, people in Venezuela are more and more pissed off because they see how the whole infrastructure is crumbling apart.
Now tell me why so many autocrats have been so popular, including (I know, it is another thing) Stalin.
Not my taste for music and not up to date, but it tells some truths:
I told you can't watch videos. I may upgrade to Jaunty to see if that fixes that issue but in due time.
It's clear that Chávez has that awesome charisma and yes, he's rather populist (even in the bad sense of the term - I don't like that but seems to be part of the American character) but I don't buy that the people is so stupid as you claim. Sorry but nope. They must be doing some things well to get the votes.
I don't know everything, for example I was reading today (on paper) an Anarchist criticism of the Chávez government with much the same parameters you do (boliburguesía, electricity rationing, etc.) but then they don't come with liberal "alternatives" and also cricize the opposition for being at least as bad as the government and ask for communism and greater democratic participation. That's a fair criticism, because it says: Chávez, you are still a bourgeois, we need ture communism.
Anyhow, I was suggesting you in my previous post, that maybe the "Chavistas" are doing some things right. Well, I just read this note from the Agencia Bolivariana de Noticias, that claims that poverty has dropped in your country from 70% in 1996 to 23% in 2009. They also say you have the lowest Gini index of Latin America, which dropped from 0.49 to 0.39 last year (what, if correct, may mean that Venezuela is the most egalitarian country of America after Canada, and probably Cuba, for which there is no data). They claim backing from the World Bank for such stats.
On the other hand, read (for example) this article on Mexico (it could be Spain or Greece for what I know), where salaries are increasing well behind real inflation. Mexico is a good example of liberalism in Latin America and the disasters it causes.
So no, I can't accept that there is a liberal alternative, in Venezuela, America or anywhere in the World. Not anymore: liberal capitalism is collapsing.
I see...you are so open-minded! I see the level of debate and the democracy standards people like you have:
"X, you are bourgeois, we need communism" ---> fair criticism.
So, you are open to accept someone's opinion as fair as long as it is yours. Wao!
I really think I have to use this post as a reference on "communist and democratic values".
"Anyhow, I was suggesting you in my previous post, that maybe the "Chavistas" are doing some things right. Well, I just read this note from the Agencia Bolivariana de Noticias, that claims that poverty has dropped in your country from 70% in 1996 to 23% in 2009. " etc
I know it all. The ABN is the government's propaganda. If you distrust El País and Bbc, I have more reasons to distrust ABN.
Maju, a lot has been written about that. I have no time now, but if you want details, go to Miguel (devilsexcrement) posts to understand something about economics.
you will find references to some of those "achievements". One of the persons writing on them has been a Francisco Rodríguez and Maza Zavala, both economists and both rather leftist (on GINI and much more).
I am a software developer, not an economist, but I go to Venezuela and I have relatives everywhere. Many of them live in very poor areas, others in middle class.
The level of crime has increased in such a way that can only be compared to ciudad Juarez in Mexico, only that our ciudad juarez is almost everywhere.
They kill you for your car, they kill you for your shoes, they kill you for anything. It is not paramilitary fighting campesinos (there have been such cases, I wrote a bit about it but in German), but mostly complete deteriorations of ethics or whatever you want to call. Do you know why? Among other things because there are no real social programmes, no real jobs, no control of anything but oppo marches. You see some people showing off their wealth in incredible ways and you see others living like rats.
GINI numbers? My foot, whether they come from the World Bank or not. I haven't been in other South American countries for many years now, but I have quite some friends in Venezuela who do need to go to colombia or Brazil and they say the same.
colombia is definitely not a place I want to use as model. Still, even there: you see, as several people have confirmed me, that the government has built very nice public libraries in the middle of slums.
Take my city, Valencia. It has over 1100000 inhabitants now.
Over half of them live in the poorest South (where my brother lives, by the way, and not in a castle). There is not a single real library in the whole region.
I wrote this in my blog: had Hugo not bought those 92 Russian tanks but half of them or so, he could have built quite some public libraries there and more. Had he not spent a total of over 4 billion in weapons in Russia, he would have been able to do much more.
"So no, I can't accept that there is a liberal alternative, in Venezuela, America or anywhere in the World. Not anymore: liberal capitalism is collapsing."
It has been collapsing since 1929.
I don't think things should continue as they are now, but I firmly believe the world is much more complicated than red tin soldiers against blue tin soldiers.
"So, you are open to accept someone's opinion as fair as long as it is yours. Wao!"
I don't have to accept an opinion that defends robbery and exploitation. It's my choice: I chose good vs. evil, it's a moral choice against private property.
I don't expect any "heaven" in reward, just think it's the correct thing to do for my own good and that of all.
you will find references to some of those "achievements"".
Dunno: speaks of the FARC and claims that FARC's prisoners are all "innocecent civilians" but nothing about the economy.
A good one though: Chavistas have occupied the bishop's palace. That's good. :)
Taking a radical stand against religion is what I think is GOOD, specially becuse they are also robbers and protect robbers with their machinery. And also that's what I think Jesus would do: occupy the Bishop's Palace and kick him out with whip for sacrilege, blasphemer and enemy of God (i.e. the people and nature).
It's obvious that they are doing things right... but not enough. The bishop was not beheaded and the palace was not expropriated. They are still too light.
Mexico and Colombia have no comparison, except with Iraq, where people can't go out to the streets because they know they will be killed by the Shia militias without any reason. Mexico and Colombia are narcostates where the mafias do what they want even more than in Calabria, and with clear support of the army and government.
In Venezuela there might be "crime" but what's it? Petty theft? It's not state-organized mafioso terrorism against the people. You must be kidding if you want to compare. You never read (anywhere) that hundreds/thousands of civilians have been killed gratuitously in any given location for no reason at all, just because the army/death squads/mafias chose to do it.
Now beware because if the right wins the elections they are likely to make Venezuela another Colombia and then you will know what is really bad.
"I wrote this in my blog: had Hugo not bought those 92 Russian tanks but half of them or so, he could have built quite some public libraries there and more. Had he not spent a total of over 4 billion in weapons in Russia, he would have been able to do much more".
That's true but the USA has given them little alternative. Would in not be by the aggressive Gringo-Colombian policy there would be no need for so many weapons, right?
"It has been collapsing since 1929".
In a sense yes, except for WWII (that in truth revived the economy) and post-War Marshall Plan (that generated, by means of huge public spending, a more or less stable demand in Europe that could stabilize the recovery for some time). Since 1968-71 though it's been going down all the time, except for the Reagan-Bush-etc. Mega-Bubble: magical inflation of M3 on wild credit and real state speculation, which helped to keep things afloat for the Toyostist/Postmodern phase.
Now there's nothing left. And there are no plans, no alternatives, only democratic socialism (not the same as social-democracy, which does not exist anymore but in name) can work. But of course they won't let it happen easily... and there is too little class conscience and organization yet. But in some years from now... people will necessarily take conscience that they are being deprived of everything and need to fight back or die like stray dogs.
"I don't think things should continue as they are now, but I firmly believe the world is much more complicated than red tin soldiers against blue tin soldiers".
Oh, yeah. There are no red tin soldiers. There are just citizens, workers... and are made of flesh. And therefore they have real needs and real feelings and that's what makes society and economy.
But on the side of the oppressors, there are many soldiers, policemen, private guards, mafioso thugs, death squads, CCTV, monolithic private media, etc. That's why change won't be easy... but will happen anyhow because there is no alternative.
Maju, I think there is little point in talking anymore.
That "petty crime" is producing more dead than anything, anything colombia has seen in the last 10 years, including the many thousands murdered by the military-paramilitary. The numbers are there, with names and ages and addresses. Meanwhile guys like the Diosdados and the chavez clan become richer and richer, as it has happened in any system claiming to be "socialist" or "communist" or anything.
"You never read (anywhere) that hundreds/thousands of civilians have been killed gratuitously in any given location for no reason at all, just because the army/death squads/mafias chose to do it."
That is what is happening in Venezuela month after month.
You are as democratic as Francisco Franco.
Your comment about beheading the bisshop (or anyone) shows also: you are as fascist as the worst fascist.
Ah, you don't like the good old illustrated European traditions: guillotin, mon amí!
How can you defend such a criminal robber as a Catholic bishop? Please! You must be a Catholic yourself!
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