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Thursday, May 28, 2009

Ireland to persecute anti-religious expression


Ireland is known as one of the most fundamentalist states in Europe, together with the Vatican and Poland, but this is utterly inquisitorial: blasphemy (or whatever the tribunals consider such) will be punishable with a fine of up 100 euros.

Actually this is possible under the ultra-Catholic Irish constitution that explicitly declares that the publication or utterance of blasphemous, seditious, or indecent material is an offence which shall be punishable in accordance with law. Luckily, so far there was no such law.

But now the Minister of Justice, D. Ahern, wants blasphemy to be included in the new defamation bill in the terms mentioned above. That would surely leave the pious hypocrites and/or idiots very happy but would cause persecuton against everyone who damns God or who questions the sexuality of the prophets, for example. This is obviously unfair as it attacks some ideas with the pretext of defending others: certain ideologies become privileged, while others are attacked.

One even wonders if this is done to merely protect the pedophilic network known as the Catholic Church or what? I guess that accusing a priest of being a pedophile can be considered blasphemy too, right? What next, the canonization of Torquemada?

Watch out: fascism strikes back!

Source: The Register.
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6 comments:

Tod said...

Nah, it's to do with Islamic sensibilities, in the UK they (wrongly) thought there was an active blasphemy law protecting the Christians and wanted one too. I can assure you if it is ever used it will be to silence critics of any religion but the Christian.

There is a police state being formed to enforce ever increasing diversity. It penalizes any dissenting even from children The War Against White TrashWhen talking about child abuse you have to compare religious people who have unsupervised access to children to the non religious with similar access. Is there a Care Home in Britain that has not had sexual abuse going on. The clergy may well have a high proportion of unusual sexual orientations, but so does social work, and most religious people are not clergy.
Danny the Red wasn't a Catholic priest.

At least religious people justify their existence i.e. they reproduce.

Spain is said to have the lowest birthrate around. If Basques were ultra-Catholic the birthrate would be higher. The way things are going Basques will disappear - you can't blame the Church for that

Maju said...

I really couldn't care less if it's founded on Islamic, Christian or Judaistic "sensibilities" (i.e. their inability to discuss rationally their fantasies). For me all those religions (and surely other religions too) are a scam and should be persecuted legally for fraudulent publicity (promising what is false), brainwashing and lack of internal democracy (all associations need to have participative systems but religious cults who are arbitrarily exempt).

The case of Cohn-Bendit is clearly not a case of pedophilia: he did not abuse anyone. But Catholic priests (and others surely) have often engaged in active and systematic sexual abuse of children. Not to mention that all their tabooization of sex and the body is in itself a crime against children's (and adults') natural and free sexual developement.

At least religious people justify their existence i.e. they reproduce.

Priests do not (normally) reproduce. Nor do nuns. Whatever the case, I find that absolutely ridiculous in a time of massive overpopulation. We need less reproduction, not more - and for that we need better education (including sexual educaton), free availability of contraceptives of all sorts and more sexual freedom in general. It is the "moralistic" (i.e. short-minded traditionalists) who are bearing most of the excess children, so the most clear solution is to end with them as a sociological reality. Not an easy task but a must if we want Humankind to survive (and be free).

If Basques were ultra-Catholic the birthrate would be higher. The way things are going Basques will disappear - you can't blame the Church for that.

The main reason is the cost of life: normal people can hardly afford a home, so they can't have children - not to mention the absurdly high costs of everything children-related (clothes, toys, books...).

Maju said...

Oops, posted without finishing by error. Continuing here:

The Church can certainly be blamed anyhow, as they have made nothing for us but brainwashing and traumatizing us. Most Basques are maybe not religious anymore (luckily) but most of us have suffered religious "education" and surely still struggle with that trauma.

Finally, if Basques would be independent (something the Church has always fought against, with the sole exception of the irreligious Borgias, who were confronted with Castile-Aragon and hence allied with Navarre by family ties), we would have a much better protetion for our national language (a cultural treasure for all Europeans anyhow) and we could more easily assimilate evrybody else. Because Basqueness is not and has never been a matter of blood but of language. Euskaldun (Basque) means literally Basque-speaker or maybe the one who has the Basque way. All words meaning Basque derive from Euskera, the Basque language (and if you wish, the Basque way, as the suffix -era/-ara means mode, even if it's commonly used for languages).

You are truly Basque (euskaldun) only if you speak the language. Otherwise you are barbarian, a foreigner (erdeldun).

So the problem of the Basque Nation is not a reproductive one (in truth this country is quite overpopulated) but a linguistic and identitarian one. And ultimately a political one: a problem of democracy and self-rule.

terryt said...

"For me all those religions (and surely other religions too) are a scam and should be persecuted legally for fraudulent publicity (promising what is false), brainwashing and lack of internal democracy".

Agree 100%.

"We need less reproduction, not more".

As above.

Tod said...

The political class totally ignore religious viewpoints in practice. These calls for a blasphemy law are motivated by a desire to close a possible loophole for dissent against their anti indigenous policy. That policy is supported by the Church (who are in terminal decline in the West).

The law is intended to stop anyone getting around the incipient police state controls by speaking against immigrants under the cover of saying their talking about their religion.


But Catholic priests (and others surely) have often engaged in active and systematic sexual abuse of children.-

Spain and Ireland were not the countries where child pornography was openly sold (as it was in American cities during the 70's).
Left-Liberal Denmark was where much of this stuff was produced and they were the last in Europe to outlaw it. (15 year olds were adults under Danish law until the other countries forced them to change things in 2002)

The case of Cohn-Bendit is clearly not a case of pedophilia: he did not abuse anyone.-

What Cohn-Bendit put in his 1975 book was probably - like most discreditable things people tell you about themselves - true.


tabooization of sex and the body is in itself a crime against children's (and adults') natural and free sexual developement.-

All depends what you mean by 'natural and free', some will give that a meaning you never dreamed of: the freedom of a fox in the hen-house (or a Cohn-Bendit in the kindergarten). That's being unfair - to foxes. A fox wouldn't say of his victims "mais leur désir m e posait un problème."

He wasn't alone on the left, that kind of thinking is in line with currents that surfaced in Germany's 80's Green party.

A recent example, LGBT Youth Scotland, received £1.1million in 2008 from the Executive, councils and health boards, James Rennie, chief executive of the publicly-funded gay rights group, was an executive adviser on child sex issues. (Probably not a Catholic then).
Campaigner led paedophile ring.



Basqueness is not and has never been a matter of blood but of language..-

As the people dwindle away the language does too.( I'll admit that the Basques are not alone in their bleak long term future)
More Urdu speakers in Scotland than Gaelic

Maju said...

The political class totally ignore religious viewpoints in practice.

Nope. But if they would do still they'd be paying homage to corrupt braiwashing cults that have no place, certainly no place in law or official status of any sort, in a modern illustrated society.

I don't want that 99% of holidays are Christian. That is an insult to non-Christians. I don't want that placing crosses on top of mountans is tolerated (that is again an insult against us). I don't want taxpayers' money going to religious groups of any sort, notably religious schools, if they can't pay their expenses on their own, let them go bankrupt. Unlike Opel, they do not generate many jobs.

child pornography was openly soldWTF are you talking about? Do you mean normal images of naked children or do you mean adults raping them?

I do not understand what the heck is what you mean but considering your mischievous and deffamatory reference to Cohn-Bendit seems to me that you are just twisting things.

Having a natural realtion with the body is not "pornography". Having an unnatural one (like JCMs do, for instance) is sexual violence. Read Wilhelm Reich please.

What Cohn-Bendit put in his 1975 book was probably - like most discreditable things people tell you about themselves - true.

But how is caressing a child upon request "pedophilia"? It's just normal, isn't it?

You people are sick! You see evil in good and good in evil. There's nothing more twisted and diabolic in the whole universe!

As the people dwindle away the language does too.( I'll admit that the Basques are not alone in their bleak long term future)
More Urdu speakers in Scotland than Gaelic
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That link is dangerous. At least that is what WOT says: red coded - probably viruses or other extremely bad stuff. Please do not post dangerous links here, thanks (next time I'll have to delete your post).

Anyhow, the problem of Celtic in Scotland and all the islands is not Urdu (obviously) but English.