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Monday, August 4, 2008

Israel blackmails ill Palestinians

Another horror story from the last Apartheid: Israeli secret services are conditioning the, always exceptional, medical care to Gazans who agree to become an informant.
Read full article in BBC.

Israel, with the connivence of Egypt, is keeping a deadly blockade against the Gaza strip denying them everything and using convenient exceptions to blackmail individuals and the whole society. this is just another outraging case of the systematic abuses of the Zionist colony against the natives, abuses that incredibly don't seem to arise the outrage they should, much less to trigger the obvious UN sanctions that such a systematic violator of international law should be punished with.

Instead they are allowed exceptionally to play in European competitions of all sorts, they have economic agreements with EU and the USA and get immense subsidies without which they would not survive. Why is Israel such a privileged fascist regime? Why does it not get the medicine that so easily has been provided for so many others on much more feeble grounds?

The answer is far from obvious. South Africa was also a western colony but was ostracized, at least symbolically. For Israel there is nothing of the sort: only blessings.


Victor said...

Hi maju. I'm Jewish, but I have to agree with you. Israel has become an embarrassment, if not an abomination, to all people everywhere with a sense of justice and the true meaning of democracy -- and that includes a great many of my fellow Jews as well. It's also a great source of pain and dissilusionment for me that the leaders of my country, the United States, lack the leadership and the will to stand against policies that smack so strongly of both racism and aparthied.

While Israel has not (yet) descended to the depths of Nazi depravity, this "restraint" is no excuse for policies that should remind every Jew of the events that inspired the eloquent phrase: "NEVER AGAIN."

Maju said...

IMO, the very whole thing about the Zionist project was nigh-on impossible and criminal since the beginning. There was people living there and the plan (maybe not explictly stated but implicit anyhow) was basically to drive them out. It is a 19th century, maybe early 20th century kind of colonialist project... but realized in the late 20th century when the issues of colonialism, human rights, etc. became central. It is obslete since almost the beginning and would never have been approved by the UN only 12 years after its inception.

I have nothing against Jews as such. In fact some of my (and pretty universal) icons are Jews but the existence of a Jewish state in Palestinian lands is just not viable. It depends on foreign money and foreign protection, it has no roots other than mythology and it is, as you well say, a shame.

We are upset with Sudan, with Burma, Chinese occupation of Tibet... just to mention the most well known cases of genocidal regimes. But we bless Israel "right" to do anything regardless of law and ethic principles.

For me the only (and difficult) way out is a unified multiethnic Palestine under some sort of temporal UN protection. Palestine (historically speaking) is not that big anyhow. But that won't be in the agenda while Israel has all the advantages and the Palestinians are treated as scum internationally, even by their "fellow" Arab neighbours.

I am really glad to hear a Jewish voice of common sense anyhow. I know yours is not the only one (read my posts on B'Tselem for instance) but they are quite rare.

terryt said...

I think more and more people of Jewish background (although not necessarily practising Jews) are speaking out. However there seems to be some sort of 'conspiracy' to not publish their views or cover protests they organise.

I wrote on another blog just yesterday that I believe the best solution is a combined state with Jerusalem as an international capital, if only for the three religions for which it is important. This idea is very close to your "unified multiethnic Palestine". The UN may need to be in control for a time but I can see many difficulties in getting the members of the UN to agree on what sort of role they would have.

Maju said...

I don't think a federal state will work because Palestinians have very good claims to what is internatonally ecognized as Israel: they were expelled en masse, their properties stolen and their villages razed to the ground. Most of the nearly 1 million people living in Gaza strip are refugees from Israel, same for those in Lebanon and many in the West Bank. They have the right of return, as per all international conventions of all sorts and that would basically make what is now Israel not anymore mainly Jewish.

But well, it'd be largely a return to the 1948 situation, when a Jewish majority existed only in the Haifa district (Tel Aviv).

Also I don't think religions should play any role, except as constitutional safeguards. Jerusalem should be the capital but leave the popes and mullahs of the world out of its institutions, please.

I think more and more people of Jewish background (although not necessarily practising Jews) are speaking out. However there seems to be some sort of 'conspiracy' to not publish their views or cover protests they organise.

That is very possible. It's not like for being Jewish you're going toget automated publicity. But if you are pro-Israeli, then you probably will.

I think this situation is not good for Jews because it always looks like Jew=Zionist, what is often the case but not necesarily. This has been giving bad reputation to Jews around the world but specially in Muslim countries where Zionism is the enacarnation of the Devil. People get mixed Israel Lobby with "Jewish Lobby". That's not good.

annamagdas said...

Calling the inhabitants 'natives' and Israel a Zionist colony shows your bias. Before the return of Israel there were only a handful of nomadic people in that area, it was never developed to the extend Israel has developed it. The small amount of locals greatly benefited from the new developments, there was business to be done, jobs were created for them and a good income. This caused many from the Middle East to migrate to this area. A poll on descent of the inhabitants has shown that many came from other areas like Jordan, with their parents, or were born of parents that came from these regions as migrants, as things were economically going well in those days. After the war (WW2) UN promised Israel to the Jews. A land the size of a postage stamp in a football field, if you compare all of the Middle East with Israel. There is much more behind what is seen than we think. Hatred and anti Zionist prejudice is fed to the Palestinian children in their homes, at school, in their textbooks and in their communities. How can we expect peace if this keeps up? All they want to do is hype up media and get the world behind them in hating and eliminating the Jew. Thank you Mr Arafat. Same old story isn't it? Are we any better than Hitler, did you talk about the right to express who you are? They are still Gods people. Like it or not. First of all they have an obligation to God for their actions. I pray that they'll do so. They still are a blessing to those that bless them. They have the most advanced medical system, some of the best surgeons and scientists. Look at the situation through objective eyes and behind the physical appearances.

Maju said...

So you are telling me that the vast majority (well above 90%) of Israeli Jews are not recent arrivals to Palestine?, that they are not people who have arrived in the context of a Western imperialist plan to take the land from the native peoples and give it to these mostly European and North American colonists?

Are you telling me that Palestinians are not native to Palestine?

"Before the return of Israel there were only a handful of nomadic people in that area"...

Lies! Stupid and unbelievable Zionist propaganda! Palestine was a perfectly normal Mediterranean country or region or whatever you want to call it. Most people were sedentary and even urban, with relatively good levels of education. Totally comparable to any other country of the area, from Greece to Egypt and Iran.

I see pictures of Palestine in the early 20th century and I can perfectly compare with Spain in that same period (excepting the lesser cultural differences such as clothing customs).

All the rest you say is nothing like bullshit. You are a total ignorant, a brainwashed ignorant zealot. There's a lot of information in the Internet for whoever wants to learn about the real history of Palestine, before and after the arrival of the Zionist invaders.

"Hatred and anti Zionist prejudice is fed to the Palestinian children in their homes, at school, in their textbooks and in their communities".

I have no idea what the teach them, really. But what I know is what many Jews and others, specially in the USA (and of course in Israel), are taught: a bunch of lies. Lies won't help you the least, so you better wake up and learn the harsh facts: Zionists are invaders, ethnic cleansers, fascist terrorists, and Palestinians are essentially victims. They have suffered a lot, they are suffering now a lot, so the least you can do if you dare to call yourself human is to learn about them and their tragedy.

"How can we expect peace if this keeps up?"

I am persuaded that peace won't happen while Israel exists and while people like you remains so confused. I say this in the sense of your ignorance and pitiful indoctrination, that only sees one side of the story, which is 99% bullshit propaganda. Nobody looking at the matter with any critical approach could say what you say.

Sincerely: I really can't believe that you are so confused, so extremely mislead. Nobody can believe all that junk, not even a slight fraction of it. You sound like a Jehova Witness, so to say: someone who does not think anymore, just parrots a learned doctrine.

Luckily most people are not that way.

"... get the world behind them in hating and eliminating the Jew".

I understand that Palestinians have all the reasons to hate Jews in general (nobody could blame them for that, really), but even them are generally not as short-sighted and understand perfectly that not all Jews are Zionist scum.

Whatever the case nobody wants to eliminate Jews here nor even in Palestine. All we demand is that apartheid and racism end, that there is a single Palestine, with refugees returning, with their properties returned, and with one person one vote, regardless of religion or the racist Zionist criteria of citizenship.

I imagine that when that is achieved some Jews living now in Palestine will return to Europe or North America, while others will choose to stay. But that is less important, the crucial element is that justice, human and civil rights, democracy and dignity are restored for the Palestinian people. This is not possible while Israel (=Palestine under apartheid and genocide) exists.

There's no possible peace with Israel because Israel is a crime against Humanity. You would not make peace with Hitler, would you? Me neither. You have to be too much of a saint to pardon such extreme crimes without determined repentance and compensation by the guilty side.


Maju said...

"Are we any better than Hitler?"

The Zionists? Not much. They are good apprentices of the Austrian psychopath.

"They are still Gods people".

No. Yaveh is a false god.

Plus the genuine descendants of ancient Jews are much more likely to be modern Palestinians than modern Jews. In reality modern Western Jews are probably descendants of converts to Judaism, surely from the area of Lebanon-Cyprus-Syria-Cilicia. Other Jewish groups seem to have other origins. Jews of ancient Palestine mostly converted to Christianism, specially as the Romans did not persecute Christian Jews when the ancient revolts. Later they largely converted to Islam. Some lesser external inputs probably existed too but the core is still there and is clearly apparent in genetics.

"First of all they have an obligation to God for their actions".

Look, I don't believe in Yaveh nor the Bible. It's a total nonsense (recommended this comic on the Bible, very educative, and made by a Jewish author). And it's plainly stupid to discuss politics from a religious viewpoint. Religion is, I guess, ok, for your privacy but should not take the public arena ever. Secularism is the rule and everything else is fundamentalist fascism.

"They have the most advanced medical system"...

LOL, that's in Cuba! And it's irrelevant anyhow.

Pity of brainless zombies, really. You make me doubt of my trust on Humankind.