tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3563811638411839784.post8974779752413503674..comments2023-05-15T07:11:30.874+02:00Comments on Leherensuge: Shlomo Sand on the invention of the Jewish PeopleMajuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3563811638411839784.post-7500846693920779542009-04-22T23:17:00.000+02:002009-04-22T23:17:00.000+02:00"The Serb-Croat issues are, IMO, the most ridiculo..."The Serb-Croat issues are, IMO, the most ridiculous struggle I have ever witnessed". <br /><br />Now that's the truth. A lot of people in this region are of Croatian origin (way back, before WWI, and they called themselves Dalmatian) and so we followed the wars here closely. <br /><br />"the revival of nearly forgotten religious identities has destroyed a nation". <br /><br />Exactly.terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3563811638411839784.post-59790620095903223222009-04-22T15:24:00.000+02:002009-04-22T15:24:00.000+02:00The problems inherent in the formation of nation s...<I>The problems inherent in the formation of nation states have lasted to the present day, such as the Serb/Croat problems.</I>The Serb-Croat issues are, IMO, the most ridiculous struggle I have ever witnessed: they speak the same language (dialectal clines have no relation with Serb/Croat/Bosniak divides) and after half a century of secularist regime they should have become all one single nation without further issues. It is realy incredible how the revival of nearly forgotten religious identities has destroyed a nation like the Serbocroat one. Pathetic, IMO.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3563811638411839784.post-40714039467538558352009-04-21T23:38:00.000+02:002009-04-21T23:38:00.000+02:00"Everywhere there was a search for the roots and o..."Everywhere there was a search for the roots and often racist ideas that promoted the supposed excellences of each distinct people". <br /><br />The author is at pains to point out the contradictions involved in those ideas. How Hungarian nationalism gave rise to problems for the Bulgars and Roumanians within the boundaries of the proposed nation of Hungary, in fact any minorities within a proposed nation. You as a Basque would be well aware of that aspect. The problems inherent in the formation of nation states have lasted to the present day, such as the Serb/Croat problems.terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3563811638411839784.post-34089205115617144152009-04-21T11:20:00.000+02:002009-04-21T11:20:00.000+02:00It's great to see Israelis criticise the Jewish re...<I>It's great to see Israelis criticise the Jewish religion.</I>I don't understand the author cricising religion as such but the Bible as supposed historical work. This is very different as many Judaistic, Christians, etc. do not take the Bible to the letter but in their moral and spiritual meaning solely. <br /><br /><I>The comment you've translated connecting the rise of Zionism with the rise of German nationalism is very interesting.</I>It is rather in coincidence with what Jocahim Martillo writes on his <A HREF="http://www.eaazi.org/ThorsProvoni/JudoniaComplete/JudoniaCompleteA.htm" REL="nofollow">Judonia Rising</A> essay. But Martillo understands that German nationalism was assimilative of Jews before Hitler anyhow and that the real core of Zionism arose in Britain in fact. He argues that German, Russian and French Jews, as well as those in the USA were in the process of fully assimilating and that some leaders of the Jewish communities, notably British, were instead interested in keeping Jews as a distinct community, so they strongly favored Zionism and certainly benefitted from the Holocaust. <br /><br /><I>I've just read a book "1848" which deals with the contradictions inherent in the rise of nationalism in that period. Unfortunately I can't remember the author, I've lent the book to a friend.</I>Guess it's an interesting read. the late 19th century and to some extent the early 20th century as well were the age of Romanticism and therefore nationalisms. Everywhere there was a search for the roots and often racist ideas that promoted the supposed excellences of each distinct people. It was the time of consolidation of nation-states, a rather new concept that attempted to replace the monarchical structures and ideals of a past that was no more.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3563811638411839784.post-71002299848815678852009-04-21T00:06:00.000+02:002009-04-21T00:06:00.000+02:00It's great to see Israelis criticise the Jewish re...It's great to see Israelis criticise the Jewish religion. Like you I have a problem with all religions. <br /><br />I don't know if you've read Israel Finkelstein's books. If not I'd recommend them. A lot of the argument presented here is in agreement with his conclusions. <br /><br />The comment you've translated connecting the rise of Zionism with the rise of German nationalism is very interesting. I've just read a book "1848" which deals with the contradictions inherent in the rise of nationalism in that period. Unfortunately I can't remember the author, I've lent the book to a friend.terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.com