tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3563811638411839784.post5058471496554555199..comments2023-05-15T07:11:30.874+02:00Comments on Leherensuge: A couple of new genetic papers I'd love to readMajuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3563811638411839784.post-14554431211591715752010-08-27T11:59:37.170+02:002010-08-27T11:59:37.170+02:00"So there's virtually no U106, U152, and ..."So there's virtually no U106, U152, and L21 in Iberia?"<br /><br />Just for repeated clarification: it's all U152*. My bad. See <a href="http://leherensuge.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">the other post</a> for details.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3563811638411839784.post-37038555489173321232010-08-27T11:57:00.649+02:002010-08-27T11:57:00.649+02:00It's R1b1b21a1a2*, sorry. Going nuts with the ...It's R1b1b21a1a2*, sorry. Going nuts with the nomenclature.<br /><br />I posted a review <a href="http://leherensuge.blogspot.com/2010/08/r1b1b2a1-is-almost-unique-of-west.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>, btw. You seem to have missed it. <br /><br />"... it's from the study itself. They list the rs identifier of the SNPs, and you can see in the ISOGG page that they're the same SNP".<br /><br />Alright. Good job, thanks.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3563811638411839784.post-12251987174602999712010-08-27T05:25:01.224+02:002010-08-27T05:25:01.224+02:00[Delete and post again due to mistake in my link]
...[Delete and post again due to mistake in my link]<br /><br /><i>So, according to you the M412 marker is the same as L51 and hence describes nothing but R1b1b2a1? That's interesting.</i><br /><br />No, it's from the study itself. They list the rs identifier of the SNPs, and you can see in the ISOGG page that they're the same SNP.<br /><br /><a href="http://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_YDNA_SNP_Index.html" rel="nofollow">ISOGG SNP/rs list</a><br /><br /><i>Makes sense but I'm going to hate these researchers for doing that, really.</i><br /><br />Yeah, I don't get it. The ISOGG "official" names are L21, L51, etc. There shouldn't have been any reason for them to use these obscure out-of-the-blue labels.<br /><br /><i>Iberians show up with 80-95% apportions of R1b1b2a1a*</i><br /><br />What? Really? You mean L11+ U106- P312-? That's 80% to 95% in Iberia? I'm stunned. By the way, though I've made the xls file and all that, I actually still have only barely glanced over it, and haven't even looked at the Cruciani study yet. I had no idea about this Iberia thing until you pointed it out. And wait a minute... This study didn't look at SRY2627 and M153, which are downstream of P312, and they're pretty signficant. They must be taking up almost all of the remaining 5% to 20%. So there's virtually no U106, U152, and L21 in Iberia? This would put a hell of a ceiling on potential Roman historic ancestry in Iberians, wouldn't it?aargiedudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02885756901119408472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3563811638411839784.post-82750301074311344882010-08-27T05:22:21.364+02:002010-08-27T05:22:21.364+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.aargiedudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02885756901119408472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3563811638411839784.post-61636763305055923152010-08-26T17:53:49.113+02:002010-08-26T17:53:49.113+02:00I just got a copy of the paper, btw. Right now rea...I just got a copy of the paper, btw. Right now reading it.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3563811638411839784.post-44314672742967690822010-08-26T17:12:13.635+02:002010-08-26T17:12:13.635+02:00Hi, Argie. Got your spreadsheet.
So, according t...Hi, Argie. Got your spreadsheet. <br /><br />So, according to you the M412 marker is the same as L51 and hence describes nothing but R1b1b2a1? That's interesting. <br /><br />The other strange marker is M529 that, according to you is the same as L21, meaning R1b1b2a1a2f. <br /><br />I was making a map with the supp. data but now I will have to alter the legend.<br /><br />Makes sense but I'm going to hate these researchers for doing that, really. <br /><br />"This has to be one of, if not THE, best y-dna study in years".<br /><br />Maybe. At least it has a good, extensive sample and have tested for some key markers. I still think a more detailed research of SW European clades downstream of R1b1b2a1a is much needed. Iberians show up with 80-95% apportions of R1b1b2a1a*, and that also happens at lower apportions in South France, through the Alpine area and some other spots like Central England. Some of this low level haplogroups are known but they have not tested for them. Others still await discovery.<br /><br />"For me personally, it was interesting to see that Italy, with 282 samples, 105 of them R1b1b2, had only 1 L21, my own haplogroup".<br /><br />It does not surprise me the least, after all L21 is in principle a NW European clade, right?<br /><br />"And 57 of the 105 R1b1b2 were U152. Incredible".<br /><br />It looks like a Mediterranean clade to me: not only common in Italy and Switzerland but also Slovenia, Croatia... and Crete! However it is also important in Central Europe and France up to South England, but not really in Iberia.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3563811638411839784.post-18766689907735013952010-08-26T03:43:34.840+02:002010-08-26T03:43:34.840+02:00They used some obscure SNP labels for L21 and othe...They used some obscure SNP labels for L21 and other SNPs. I translated those names to their better known counterparts and overall made their supplementary data easier to read in this xls file:<br /><br />http://www.sendspace.com/file/hzyt2f<br /><br />The file also adjusts their reported DYS461 results, because they reported the values with 1 repeat less than is standard in studies and commercial databases.<br /><br />This has to be one of, if not THE, best y-dna study in years. We've been waiting a long time for geneticists to fast-forward half a decade and start testing for stuff like U152, U106, etc. Excellent. And they did it with flying colors. What an infernal study.<br /><br />For me personally, it was interesting to see that Italy, with 282 samples, 105 of them R1b1b2, had only 1 L21, my own haplogroup. He was from North Italy, as in my case, too. And 57 of the 105 R1b1b2 were U152. Incredible. This study is going to give much to talk about. Beautiful.<br /><br />If anyone spots any errors or corrections needed in the xls file, let me know.aargiedudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02885756901119408472noreply@blogger.com